One argument.
We need to confess our sins ONLY to GOD – not to a man. Only GOD can forgive and REMEMBER no more.
1Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Heb.10:11-22 (verse 17) And their sins and iniquities I will remember no more.
Heb. 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and iniquities and will remember no more.
And from another one of my family members:
Where does the Orthodox church stand on the issue of confession. I hope they agree that God alone forgives us of our sins…not a priest. Below is a quick list of some verses regarding forgiveness / confession:
Mr 11:25 -
“Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions.
Mr 11:26 -
["But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions."]
Lu 5:21 -
The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?”
Lu 11:4 -
`And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.’ “
Lu 17:3 -
“Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
Lu 17:4 -
“And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, `I repent,’ forgive him.”
Lu 23:34 -
But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.
1Jo 1:9 -
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
When I read these verses I can clearly see that their are 2 types of forgiveness we can identify in them. First, we as Christians are directed to forgive others of transgressions against us, and as we forgive others Christ then forgives us. Second, where Christ forgives us of our sins as only He can do.
I’m not sure why it is necessary in the eyes of Catholicism and Orthodoxy to utilize a man to confess our sins. The following questions are my own thoughts regarding this and things that I think you need to take a hard look at:
Don’t you think that at the moment you are aware of sin in your life you should immediately take that unconfessed sin to God and ask Him for forgiveness?
Wouldn’t you think that God would be much happier with you confessing that sin at the moment you are aware of it as opposed to waiting until you can go to confession?
Why would you want to go around with unconfessed sin burdening you, and keeping you out of fellowship with Christ until you have a chance to go to confession?
What I’m getting at is that sin grieves the Holy Spirit. We are told not to grieve the Holy Spirit in Eph. 4. We should, in my opinion do our absolute best to confess our sins at the time the Holy Spirit convicts us of them…plain and simple.
In light of this, I believe that I Tim 2:5 is clear in that we should go directly to Christ, who is our mediator between God and us. Christ is also the one who stands at the right hand of God and intercedes for us (Rom 8:27). I see no scriptural basis for us to have anyone take our confessions to God and intercede for us on our behalf. This would have been true in the Old Testament, but remember that the the temple veil was torn at Christ’s crucifixion, giving us direct access to God.
My Response:
No Orthodox priest would ever say that you can’t confess sins to God by yourself. But there is something to be said for saying your sins out loud and repenting in the presence of another person.
One ‘proof-text’ is John 20:23 “Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.”
Secondly, a Priest is a representative of Christ (not the vicar of Christ, that whole Pope thing is totally foreign in the Orthodox Church) and so also is a Pastor, after all, he is the shepherd of the flock, Christ’s body. And so, this is what goes on in confession.
Order of Confession
- I say the Trisagion prayers and Psalm 51. and then i say:
“I have sinned, O Lord: forgive me. O God, be gracious unto me a sinner.
O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I confess to thee all the hidden and open sins of my heart and mind, which I have committed unto this present day; wherefore I beg of thee, the righteous and compassionate Judge, remission of sins and grace to sin no more.
Priest says:
My sister, inasmuch as thou hast come to God, and to me, be not ashamed; for thou speakest not unto me, but unto God, before whom thou standest.
-the Priest questions me concerning my sins and afterwards says:
“My spiritual child, who hast confessed to my humble self, I, humble, and a sinner, have not power on earth to forgive sins, but God alone; yet through that divinely spoken word which came to the Apostles after the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, saying: Whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted, and whosoever ins we retain, they are retained, we too are emboldened to say: Whatsoever thou hast said to my most humble self, and whatsoever thou hast not succeeded in saying, either though ignorance, or through forgetfulness, Whatever it may bew: God forgive thee in this present world, and in that which is to come.”
-makes the sign of the cross of me and says:
“God it was who forgave David through Nathan the Prophet, when he confessed his sins, and Peter weeping bitterly for his denial, and the sinful woman in tears at his feet, and the Publican, and the Prodigal Son: May that same God forgive thee all things, through me a sinner, both in this present world, and in that which is to come, and set thee uncondemned before his dread Judgment Seat. And now, having no further care for the sins which thou hast declared, depart in peace.”
END RESPONSE
It seems to me that the Order of Confession really addresses all the objections, and satisfies them accordingly. There are really good articles at www.stgeorgecathedral.net about confessions.
I was talking to a woman the other day at Church about Confession. She said that it was an emptying of yourself of your sin, so that God’s grace comes in, and at the moment of absolution you are in perfect communion with God. It’s not about saying your sins to the Priest, it’s about saying them to God.
It makes me want to cry to be faced with all the horrible things I’ve done and then be told that God forgives me. I have my confession at 2:00 today, so maybe I’ll have an update, but then again, maybe not.
Beautiful:
I behold Thy Bridal Chamber, richly adorned, O my Savior. But I have no wedding garment to worthily enter. Make radiant the garment of my soul, O Giver of Light, and save me.
Update: I went to Confession, and it was a lot better than I thought it would be. My whole idea about not crying though, that was a waste of time. oh well. *shrugs* God is good.